Later, the O'Driscolls would attack the gang hideout at Shady Belle. While the New West of the 20th century promotes clothing, technology, and civilization, Dutch seems to want to move back to the Old West of the 19th century which promotes survival, discipline, and fitness and using skill and courage to overcome hardship. As Dutch orders the gang to pack up and leave, Catherine runs into her flaming house and burns to death. The group learns of an O'Driscoll camp nearby, and Dutch leads an assault against it a few days later. Fussar flees the cabin and runs. In 1899, Dutch is shown as an average built man of approximately 6 feet in height with a thick, black mustache and soul patch under his lips, brown eyes and black, slick backed hair that curls at the end. One of the most fascinating characters I’ve encountered in a video game is gang leader Dutch Van Der Linde. Uncle - Shot by Edgar Ross's men. Ever since the original Red Dead Redemption was released back in 2010 and swiftly completed by Matt he has been eagerly anticipating another return to the Wild West. The Libertarian Dream. With Arthur, it is clearly shown that Dutch deliberately left him to die when he could have helped him. Arthur and Sadie go ahead and rescue him anyway, much to Dutch's anger. The specifics of the heist are never fully revealed, but it's known that Dutch killed a defenseless young woman named Heidi McCourt during it. With the addition of the Liars and Cheats DLC pack for Redemption, Van der Linde is also a multiplayer character model that may be selected in the 'Damnation' section of the Outfitter. A prescient example of society’s tendency to … During the first chapter, he wears a black, knee-length winter coat and rifleman gloves, and when he attends the mayor's party, he wears a black three-piece suit and a top hat, but with his bow tie and waistcoat being an off-white silver. Returning, Arthur reveals to Dutch that Micah was the traitor all along, and is a Pinkerton informant. He then agrees to it, but only after they complete their final score that he planned with Micah. Despite at times being rather brutal in his methods, Dutch would often joke around with his fellow gang members and had a kind, playful disposition. Coming out of hiding, he joins up with Micah again to retrieve the money stashed from the botched Blackwater robbery all those years ago. Occupation Under heavy fire, they make little progress until Arthur's force arrives, at which point they begin to drive back the enemy. On the way, they bump into Sheriff Gray and his deputy. Dutch learns that John has been incarcerated in Sisika Penitentiary, but decides against freeing him for fear of him being a traitor. Dutch grabs her by the throat and kills her, much to Arthur’s dismay, although Dutch responds by saying that she would have betrayed them later anyway, which Arthur highly doubts. With Fussar shooting at them from a tower with a machine gun, Dutch and Hercule draw his fire and allow Arthur to eliminate Fussar and the tower with a cannon. John and Nastas investigate and scout Cochinay with the goal of locating Dutch himself. Once the group settled in Clemens Point, Dutch goes out riding with Hosea and Arthur. In John's case, Van der Linde was secretly enraged that Marston wished to be with his family; this was proof of disloyalty in Dutch's eyes, and his action of abandoning John, lying to Arthur about the circumstances of this and then denying it when confronted by John add to the examples of his tendency to lose interest in anyone who did not follow him blindly, as he perceived them to be a traitor. When Arthur returns to camp, he reveals that Agent Milton's informant was Micah. Dutch and Arthur rest for a short time at La Capilla, before they both go to rescue Javier, who was captured in the battle with the Guarma military. Although he demanded that members give loyalty and do their share for the gang as a whole, he also encouraged them to be themselves, make use of their free time, and optimize their own talents and skill sets. Semi-automatic PistolTwo custom Schofield RevolversTwo Double-action Revolvers (temporary; while in Guarma) Browning Gun (temporary)Knife At this point Dutch may or may not go fishing with Arthur and Hosea. Dutch later denies leaving Arthur behind. After taking a sniping position and gaining entrance to the bank, John confronts Dutch with a group of sheriffs and has him corned in an upstairs office. Arthur unlocks the shackles of the gang, and the rebel leader Hercule Fontaine invites them to his base. Close. "Dutch" is not the character's legal name, however no official media references his actual given name. Around 1878, Arthur was picked up and adopted by Dutch van der Lindeand Hosea Matthews, and viewed both of them as surrogate fat… The next morning, two Pinkerton agents named Milton and Ross appear at camp, to offer the gang members a deal. Dutch van der Linde : My lord, … Dutch uses the natives hatred for the government and modernization to persuade them into attacking and harassing settlers outside of Blackwater. Nastas tells Marston and MacDougal of Dutch's fortress in the mountains called Cochinay. Although the robbery starts off smoothly, Hosea is captured by Pinkertons while orchestrating a distraction, and is then killed by Agent Milton in front of the gang, devastating Dutch. The caves lead to atop a mountain cliff where John holds Dutch at gunpoint. Either way, he intervenes in the fight between Micah and Arthur. A shootout erupts, with Dutch, Arthur and Micah eliminating them. The pair decided to take the boy under their wing teaching him how to read, write, hunt, fight, shoot and ride becoming their first protégé. His tribe's horses were stolen by the military, and Dutch agrees to help steal them back due to his dislike of the government and injustice. John and the Lawmen pursue Dutch on horseback after realizing he escaped in an automobile parked outside the bank. Dutch and his gang take shelter inside the Shady Belle manor to fight off the O'Driscolls. He is always seen in elegant suits or fancy clothing, often wearing a black and red vest with a blue and white pinstripe shirt, with gold chains on his vest, sometimes with a smart black jacket and, more commonly, a black hat. As seen in an old photograph on Arthur Morgan's wagon, Dutch is shown to be clean shaven and with longer hair at the back. The group make for the Grizzlies, deciding to temporarily hunker down in Colter, an abandoned mining town. For him, life on the frontier the only honest and pure way to live. Since Dutch was wanted in the area, he personally couldn't go to spring Micah, so he sent his enforcer in his stead. In 1911, Bureau of Investigation agent Edgar Ross kidnaps John's family to blackmail him into hunting down several surviving members of the Van der Linde gang, including Dutch. Cornwall refuses and laughs into Dutch's face, who shoots him dead. Dutch smirks at this and comments on the hypocrisy of law enforcement, saying that after his death, the law will find "another monster" to target and use that to justify their wages. 1911 Dutch immediately orders his gang to assault the Braithwaite manor after it becomes clear that they were behind the kidnapping of Jack Marston. He would often make motivational speeches to encourage the gang to come together in times of hardship while preaching that "loyalty" and "faith" were among the highest and most honorable tenets. Unnamed father deadGreta van der Linde (mother) deadUnnamed uncleSusan Grimshaw (ex-lover)Annabelle (ex-lover) deadMolly O'Shea (ex-lover) Mount Hagen (1907)Fort of Cochinay in Tall Trees, West Elizabeth (c. 1911)Transitory Following the difficulties of the O'Driscoll attack and the failed trolley station robbery, Dutch decides on leading one last big heist before taking the entire gang with him to a peaceful island somewhere and living a life free of the law. As they try to escape, a pipe-burst knocks down Arthur who is then swarmed by soldiers. The Curious Case of Dutch Van Der Linde. In retaliation, Colm murdered Annabelle which left Dutch greatly angered and heartbroken over her death. In return for taking Dutch, they pledge to allow the rest of the gang to flee and grant them amnesty. After the assault, Dutch returns to his plan on taking revenge on Bronte. The pair then enter Aguasdulces, where they see Colonel Fussar and a group of soldiers leading a donkey that is dragging Javier along. Knowing he can't go to Strawberry himself due to being wanted in the area, Dutch sends Arthur to break Micah out. Sometime later, after considerable persuasion from Micah, Dutch decides to attend a “truce” meeting with Colm O'Driscoll. Susan was one of the original members of the Van der Linde gang, alongside Dutch van der Linde, Hosea Matthews and Arthur Morgan. He fashioned himself into something of a Robin Hood-like figure, taking money from the rich and wealthy who had plenty of it, and giving it to the poor and destitute who needed it. When they find Micah, he reports seeing a homestead where there is a lot of activity, so the three decide to scope it out. At some point, Hosea Matthews tried to rob Dutch whilst the other tried to do the same to him. His alias "Aiden O'Malley" is a reference to a, Dutch's mother Greta van der Linde; is buried in, Dutch's speech on the cliff at the end of the mission. Red D. miércoles, enero 6 2021 Tendencia. During the events of Red Dead Redemption 2, the Van der Linde Gang is at the height of its notoriety, numbering 23 members. Dutch tosses his gun off the mountain and the two exchange words. The links above will perform a search for the content that matches this page's name. Dutch often laments that in the increasingly-modernized America, individual rights and freedoms must be sacrificed to an authority he views as greedy, dishonest, exploitative and prejudiced. Dutch has a unique looking bandana - it has a checked red and white pattern, which differs from the plain black colour that the rest of the gang use. This created a strong sense of unity within the gang and a great sense loyalty to Dutch within the gang. The appearance of lawmen force them to quickly escape, but not before Dutch drowns Bronte and feeds him to hungry alligators. Arthur breaks the standoff by kicking a gun towards the ship's captain, who shoots Simon while Fussar flees. Dutch callously killed powerful figures like Angelo Bronte and Leviticus Cornwall solely out of vengeance with little regard for the outcome, going against his previous ideology that revenge was a fool's game. When looked through, John observes Dutch executing a captured police officer. Cornwall laughs at this and refuses, so Dutch decides to pull the trigger on Cornwall in a seemingly spontaneous manner and shoots him in the chest. As the culture in the west progresses towards a modernist view that praises and rewards forced conformity, incorporation, order and employment on a large societal scale. Spoilers ahead for Red Dead Redemption 2 . Due in part to the abundance of hostile Pinkertons in the vicinity, the posse fails to kill Arthur and John. Dutch's prediction of the Bureau not stopping after his death came true. He plans the train robbery, which ends up being a success. Dutch was born in 1855 to an English woman named Greta and a Dutch father somewhere near Philadelphia. Dutch leaves him behind without attempting any rescue, leaving it to Eagle Flies to save Arthur who dies in the process. It should be noted that Dutch's heavy emphasis on personal values such as liberty, equality, cultural tolerance and natural law aligns with Enlightenment ideas that encompassed the Age of Enlightenment movement during the 18th century. The gang and Hercule shoot at them from above, before moving down to the beach and fighting them off head-on. He had slowly become insane. At some point, Colm O'Driscoll is caught and sentenced to death by hanging in Saint Denis. The supposed truce meeting ultimately turns out to be a trap to catch Arthur, however, with the intention of luring in Dutch to capture him and give him to the Pinkertons. The gang assaults the distillery and is able to save the remnants of the Wapiti force; they then split into two groups, with Dutch leading a force to take the warehouse. Aside from Dutch, only Lenny uses a non-black bandana. Dutch has an anarchistic worldview and seems to want a world that goes somewhere along the lines of a Hunter-Gatherer Society, a world that opposes technology and governmental control and where men fight to survive and live the lifestyle they choose, free from any rules and regulations; a world where men live very much like they did in the old Wild West. With Fussar and his troops gone, they finally reach the port. Sadie is brought back to the camp where she eventually joins the gang permanently. Dutch shows a common disgust and contempt for urban cultured towns like Blackwater or industrialized cities like Saint Denis. Dutch taught John how to read, write, fight, shoot and ride just like he had previously done with Arthur. And low and behold, guess who he ends up shooting Micah. Some attendees gossip about Cornwall, and Dutch instructs Arthur to investigate, while he gives Lenny some details about a money-laden trolley station in the city ripe for the robbing. Later, Dutch and his gang surround the Blackwater Hotel while John and Professor MacDougal are inside. After escaping, he vows revenge on Bronte for betraying him. Dutch van der Linde was born in 1858. Later, Dutch goes to Annesburg with Micah and Arthur for a "social call" with Leviticus Cornwall. In Red Dead Redemption 2, which serves as a prequel to the original Red Dead Redemption game, Dutch is the head of the Van der Linde gang, though his growing eccentricity eventually leads to the gang’s demise. Over time, Dutch came to regard Arthur and John as his favorite 'sons'. John Marston - Shot to death by Edgar Ross's men. Dutch finally draws his guns and joins Micah, with the majority of the gang united behind him. Arthur tries to convince Dutch that Micah is the rat, while Micah denies it and says to Dutch that they can achieve a lot together, although Dutch remains silent. After discussing the situation, Dutch decides to help the Wapiti. The tale of Dutch van der Linde in Red Dead Redemption 2 is, above all else, a cautionary parable for 2018. Van der Linde valued freedom and liberties above all else and dreamed of living an independent existence. Depending on Arthur's actions, Dutch intervenes between his and Micah's fight at the camp's ruins or mountains. So RDR2 precedes RDR1 chronologically of course. After the disastrous bank heist in Saint Denis, Dutch put a tighter grip on the gang and took his valuing of loyalty to an extreme by labeling anyone who questioned him as a 'doubter' and lessened the freedoms the other members of his gang once had. Dutch pays her gold to lead them through the cave, to Aguasdulces. Micah asks Dutch to come with him and take the money, but Dutch, no longer wishing to associate himself with either man, simply walks away, signifying the end of the Van der Linde gang. After Arthur suggests letting John and his family go too, Dutch becomes furious, but quickly calms down and seemingly agrees, although it is apparent that he does not take the agreement seriously. At some point during or prior to 1907, Dutch reunites with Micah, who is now in charge of his own gang, and together they finally retrieve the money from the failed ferry robbery. Thus, at his best, Dutch commanded a balanced brand of leadership that not only required followers to have structure and discipline but also allowed them to express freedom and individuality. When reaching the plantation, Dutch spots Javier and Colone Fussar, who leads the local military. These contradictions may also be intentionally emblematic of an underlying hypocrisy in Dutch and his gang. Hercule Fontaine, the revolutionary leader tells the gang to follow him. Van der Linde begins to grow increasingly paranoid, and orders Arthur and Sadie not to rescue John from Sisika Penitentiary, believing that he is a traitor. When John brings up that Dutch had left him to die years prior, Dutch admits that he made a mistake, but then dismisses it and mocks John for being an "errand boy" for the government. It can be argued that Arthur’s relationship with Dutch is the heart … This resulted in Dutch trusting in Micah so much that when it was revealed that the latter was the Pinkerton spy, Dutch couldn't bring himself to admit this fact, even after Micah had shot and killed Susan Grimshaw. Dutch sends Arthur and Charles to look for a new location. After coming back to the gang at Lakay, the gang is attacked by Pinkertons. At the edge of the cliff on the mission "And The Truth Will Set You Free", Dutch appears to be wounded in the torso despite appearing unharmed moments earlier. Sadie Adler : When are you gonna let me come robbing with you, Dutch? Although Bill lacked conventional intelligence, he came to value his loyalty. In the mid-1870s, Dutch met a con artist named Hosea Matthews at a campfire on the road to Chicago. The rebel outpost is attacked, but with the help of Dutch and his men, the rebels fight off the soldiers but Javier Escuella is captured. In his final moments, Dutch expressed remorse for his actions, likening himself to a monster and telling John that he couldn't stop fighting for his ideas - despite the futility of it - because he was unable to combat his own fundamental nature. In fact he didn't, and later lies that John was already dead. Dutch and Strauss go to Valentine to see John and Arthur after they threw a successful train heist. After killing a scout, John picks up his binoculars. Despite his brutal ways, Dutch is shown to be educated and, unlike many outlaws, genuinely believes he is committing these crimes for idealistic reasons rather than greed. The bank robbery goes south after Agent Milton captures Hosea and Abigail. Later that year, Dutch and Hosea encountered a 14 year-old street orphan named Arthur Morgan. Red Dead RedemptionRed Dead Redemption 2 1899 Some time later, Van der Linde met the infamous outlaw named Colm O'Driscoll and the leader of his own gang The O'Driscoll Boys. Van der Linde is particularly a frequent user of the Social Contract, which is an enlightenment examination model used to highlight how individuals in a society surrender their freedoms to a higher power or authority. He also shaved his beard off, sporting a mustache without the soul patch and shorter hair. He makes a deal with a fisherman in Lagras to find and bring back a lost friend. Dutch van der Linde logró meter a su pandilla en un montón de problemas durante Red Dead Redemption 2, y un plan en particular selló su destino. Bronte even invites members of the gang to the Mayor's party. ... Continue browsing in r/RDR2. Upon arriving, they find a ruined wagon, the corpse of a man and a bunch of O'Driscoll thugs in the house. Mount Dutch never uses any long arms in either game, but is depicted with a. During the Epilogue of Red Dead Redemption 2, Dutch briefly appears with an unkempt beard and even longer hair with grey streaks, wearing a very long, thick, black winter coat and gloves. They manage to fight their way out, but Dutch is injured. Army reinforcements soon arrive, but they get defeated. Dutch tries to remain neutral, but a surprise appearance from John complicates things as he reveals what happened on the train. Dutch, seeing an opportunity to distract the government’s attention away from the gang, agrees. Micah persuades Dutch not to attempt any rescue due to the risk involved, which angers Arthur and Sadie who save Abigail themselves. His father fought for the Union in the American Civil War and died in battle (heavily implied to be the Battle of Gettysburg); because of his father's death, Van der Linde developed a sworn grudge against Southerners. Van der Linde explains that they plan on trapping the soldiers in the canyon and tar-and-feathering them, and the two get to work. Over the years, Dutch's philosophy of turning the romanticized version of the Wild West into a reality where brave pioneers lived on the frontier free of government oppression attracted many followers and the gang quickly grew. In 1887, Dutch led the gang's first major bank robbery alongside Hosea and young Arthur. The ensuing gunfights kicks up a lot of dust and drawing unwanted attention, forcing the gang to move on. During the escape, the trolley that the three are in derails and crashes, with Dutch suffering a concussion in the crash as well as a head injury that he insists is nothing to worry about. Location The sabotage succeeds and Colm is successfully hanged, although Sadie is unable to contain her rage and opens fire on the O'Driscolls, initiating a firefight. After Jack is nowhere to be seen, the gang torches the manor and interrogates Catherine Braithwaite, forcing her to reveal to them that Jack is being held hostage by Angelo Bronte. Dutch and his men confronted by John and lawmen at Blackwater's bank, Dutch requesting John to hand out MacDougal, Dutch confronted by John for the last time, Render of Dutch's model for the multiplayer mode of, Promotional poster in the form a newspaper depicting Dutch, Dutch's introduction in the second trailer, Dutch, alongside Hosea and Arthur, leading the Van der Linde gang in the third trailer, Dutch firing at Cornwall's train car in ", Dutch after witnessing Hosea's death in ", Dutch, in a standoff with John and Micah in ", Dutch's unique knife and custom revolver in holster. At this time, Dutch was an altruistic and idealistic rogue, believing the gang could make a difference in the world. Unlike its predecessors, RDR2 puts players in the shoes of outlaw Arthur Morgan as he manages day to day life in the Dutch Van der Linde gang. Around this time, Dutch became romantically involved with a woman named Susan Grimshaw, who also became a member of the gang. He has also gained some weight and wears an orange shirt and brown pants with a black and silver necklace. Rains Fall arrives son after, begging his tribe not to go to war. Dutch van der Linde - Fell off a cliff to his death after John Marston mortally wounds him. Dutch orders a cannon volley that sinks the ship, and then the gang beings to fight their way to the port in order to steal a ship and get back to the mainland. He decided that the best way to accomplish this was by robbing a major bank in the city itself. They then grab the horses and flee back to shore. Hosea attempted to rob him only to realize that Dutch likewise had done the same and stolen from him. Dutch asks about John's family, remarking how fast time flies before berating his marriage to Abigail telling the sheriffs that John "married a whore". The gang then retreats to the rebel outpost of La Capilla. He also says that The Count won’t let anyone other than Dutch ride him, and that he was bucked "faster than a bull" when he once tried to mount it. Ultimately, the Van der Linde gang emerges victorious and is able to repel the O'Driscolls. He, Eagle Flies, Charles and Arthur ride off and manage to steal back the horses from the Ferry. Dutch and his gang reluctantly travel into the heart of the blizzard in a wagon convoy, where they rest up in a small abandoned mining town called Colter. The standoff ends when Arthur kicks the ship captain his rifle, who kills Simon by shooting him in the chest. Despite the gang's code, Micah quickly points out the risks of making a rescue attempt and presses Dutch to abandon her. 2. The standoff is broken when a Pinkerton force attacks the group. When Lenny and Arthur hit the station, it turns out that there is barely any cash there, but rather it was a set-up with lawmen waiting for them. Eagle Flies ignores his father's warnings and rides off with his men, leaving the gang behind. Family Javier then announces that the Pinkertons are coming, distracting Miss Grimshaw and giving Micah the opportunity to shoot her, resulting in Susan's death. At the age of 15, he left his home as he was a disobedient child and rarely got along with his mother, who died in 1881 and was buried in Blackwater, although Dutch only found out several years later from an uncle of his. He was never the bad guy. The army assaults Cochinay, gunning down most of Dutch's Gang. Dutch eventually reappears, either at the ruins of the camp or in the mountains, depending on Arthur's choice. My whole life, all I ever did was fight... Dutch Van Der Linde first appeared as a primary antagonist in the 2010 video game Red Dead Redemption, and returns in as a primary character in Red Dead Redemption 2. A few days later, Dutch and the gang attack some O'Driscolls camped nearby. However, once confronted by Arthur on the subject, Dutch quickly denies this and brushes off Arthur's comment, whilst telling him not to be a "fool". As John points out to. This increased the attention of law enforcement and led to more dangerous consequences for the gang as a whole. Posted by 1 year ago. However, Dutch explains that he couldn't give up as it was too much in his nature to fight despite being fully aware of the futility of his rebellion, saying "That's the paradox, John. In the ensuing chaos, they rescue Javier, before fighting their way out of the settlement. In a random encounter in the camp, Dutch claims that the theory of man being evolved from the monkey is for "small-minded scientists", suggesting he doesn't believe in it. While Van der Linde makes plenty of costly decisions during Red Dead Redemption 2, one in particular stands out as his worst. Male You see Dutch Van DerLinde throughout the first six chapters of RDR2. Arthur and Dutch succeed in saving his assistant’s life when it is threatened by a huge alligator which is infamous in the swamps they're wading in, and the fisherman keeps his promise. WARNING: This article contains spoilers for the plot of Red Dead Redemption 2.. Dutch van der Linde is one of the most complex characters in Rockstar's Red Dead Redemption series.A gang leader who preaches ideals of freedom and loyalty, Dutch is a father figure to … A testament towards how much Dutch values loyalty can be seen in his relationship with Micah Bell. Their relationship later ended, and Dutch eventually moved on to another woman named Annabelle. After showing up at the homestead, the gang members soon learn that the residents are all O'Driscolls. Most of the group side with Micah, as does Dutch, even though Micah shoots Susan Grimshaw and John sides with Arthur. Dutch intervened saving the boy's life and inducted him into the gang. Arthur agrees to ride with Dutch, although Dutch suggests taking Micah as a third gun. Following the robbery, the gang learn that Abigail has been arrested for murder. By 1899, Morgan became one of Dutch's most promising protégé, and the gang leader referred to him as his Enforcer. If the player antagonizes him enough, Dutch will shove Arthur. The gang then moves to attack the train, and although the dynamite doesn't go off, the train is eventually stopped and its loot is taken by the gang. The trees collapse, blocking the road, and they order the soldiers to drop their weapons. Later, Leopold Strauss joins Dutch in Valentine where they meet up John Marston and Arthur as the latter two are celebrating a successful train heist. In van der Linde’s mind, he is saving his gang members from the atrocities of civilization. American (English and Dutch descent) Nationality The Secret Life Of Dutch Van Der Linde: After Finishing RDR2 May 28, 2019 | by Samantha Françoise McCabe For those gamers who love 'Red Dead Redemption 2', we are going to be discussing those important details and a bit of background that will help you along the way in finding out all you can about Dutch Van Der Linde. If the player wishes, Dutch, Arthur and Hosea can then go fishing. With Dutch himself and Hosea becoming fatherly figures to both of them, implementing a family-like relationship with the gang members that have stuck by him for over several years. Unlike before, he started to value Arthur's opinion less and less due to doubts he had in him and would consult with Micah more because he'd never question Dutch. After a botched robbery in Blackwater, Dutch takes his gang into hiding as they are chased by law enforcement across three states in America's heartland. Dutch van der Linde is a recurring character in the Red Dead series, appearing as a central character and one of the primary antagonists of Red Dead Redemption, as well as a central character in Red Dead Redemption 2. Together with a Native American named Nastas and Professor Harold MacDougal, John begins to search for Dutch. However, a surprise wave of reinforcements arrive, and in the ensuing gunfight all of the Indians are killed, leaving Dutch and Arthur alone to escape, which they do by jumping down some rapids. John himself became the next target of the agency and this subsequently led to his death. Not long after arriving at the new camp location, Micah is arrested in the town of Strawberry. They flee to the top of a cliff, and after being surrounded by the soldiers and held at gunpoint, jump to the rapids below, allowing them to escape. After they rescue him anyway, Dutch is infuriated by their insubordination. 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